Sunday, August 24, 2008

Rays Fans, We Have A Problem: TB on the Wrong Side of Too Many Ridiculously Bad Calls


The Rays have been on the wrong side of two very mysterious calls over the last few days (not to mention a whole host of other "close calls" that went against them throughout this year). The first incident involved a phantom turn toward second by BJ Upton on Tuesday, August 19th against the first place LA Angels. BJ Upton busted it down the line and beat out a ground ball. The umpire called BJ out when he ruled that BJ made an attempt to head towards second. Joe Maddon lost it and was thrown out of the game for arguing the call. Incidentally, the Rays came back to win the game despite this unbelievably bad call.

Tonight, the Rays headed into extra innings against the Chicago White Sox. In the bottom of the 10th, A.J. Pierzynski reached base on a single and advanced to second by tagging up on a fly ball to deep center field. On the ensuing at bat, Jermaine Dye hit a hard ground ball to shortstop Jason Bartlett who promptly got Pierzynski into a run down between 2nd and 3rd. When Aybar (playing 3B) threw the ball to Bartlett, he clearly moved to the left to get out of Pierzynski’s way, but Pierzynski threw his arm out to the side making contact with Aybar (albeit very slight contact). The umpire (Eddings), stopped play and called obstruction awarding 3B to Pierzynski. This ended up being the winning run and the Rays lost the game in the bottom of the 10th.

VIEW THE VIDEO OF THE PLAY HERE

Here is what one of the other esteemed members of the umpiring crew had to say about the call after the game:

"What Doug ruled at second base was, even though A.J. did kind of stick his arm out to make contact, Aybar was still in his way, so A.J., if he would have turned, he wouldn't have been able to continue on to third," said third-base umpire Ted Barrett, who addressed the situation after the game. "So after making the throw, Aybar is no longer in the act of fielding and he can't obstruct the runner, which is what Doug ruled happened. In a rundown, even though A.J. was going back to second, the rule of obstruction during a rundown is he gets his next advanced base and that's why he was rewarded third base."

So, a baserunner can legally “kind of stick his arm out to make contact” with a fielder and wind up being awarded a base? Are you kidding me? To make things even worse, the umpire said "if he would have turned, he would not have been able to continue to third." So, according to Mr. Barrett, baserunners can legally stick their arm out to make contact with a fielder AND they don't even need to turn around and run towards 3rd to get an obstruction call!!! Icing on the cake is that Burnett did not fully cover Eddings' back on the call (note the bolded section above). He simply says that this is what Eddings ruled and did not affirm that the ruling was correct.

Regardless of the crew's explanation above, I thought I would do a little research and here is what I found in the MLB rulebook regarding the definition of offensive interference:

INTERFERENCE
(a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with,
obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play.

If the umpire declares the batter, batter-runner, or a runner out for interference,
all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the
umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise
provided by these rules.


The umpire says Aybar was not in the act of fielding, but the rule book does not say that. The rule book says “any fielder attempting to make a play.” If it weren’t bad enough that Aybar clearly would not have made contact with Pierzynski had Pierzynski not stuck his arm out, the umpire misquoted the rule book (or so it appears from one spectators chair). You can check out the rules for yourself HERE. Comments encouraged.

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11 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

it was the right call dude. aybar cannot make any contact with aj unless he has the ball or is fielding the ball. after he throws it, he needs to get out of there.

youre taught all the way through to the majors to try and run into someone if youre in a rundown. certainly aj meant to lunge into aybar as best he could to get the call, but who initiates contact isnt really important.

it's cheap, but thems the rules.

August 25, 2008 2:05 AM  
Blogger Blogging Man said...

Are you serious? So, when a basketball player flops and gets the call, is that the right call as well? Or when the punter fakes being hit and gets the 15-yard penalty, is that the right call? Had he actually obstructed AJ, it would have been the right call. But, AJ threw an elbow (AND MISSED), and the umpire blew the call. The worst part about it is that the umpire acknowledged that AJ stuck his arm out! You got it wrong and surely you don't want to see the penant race affected by bad calls in critical games. If you do, then you are not a real baseball fan. BTW - note that I quoted the rule book in my post and it's pretty different than what you said.

August 25, 2008 9:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sigh...

you quoted "interference," genius. thats when a BASERUNNER impedes a FIELDER. were you paying any attention as you were reading and quoting it???
you want "obstruction."

ive talked to an umpire. they think ajs a tool, but they would have made the same call as doug eddings. aybar CANNOT touch aj unless he has the ball or a play on the ball. and there was definitely contact. aj has every right to flail his arms as he turns, and certainly was trying to get some contact between he and aybar, but thats all immaterial.
no touching.

im sure maddons not happy about it, but ill bet hs already had a talk with aybar explaining that he needs to get outta there after he gets rid of the ball. especially when it's a guy like aj whos notorious for finding a way to get a miracle bail out call.

August 25, 2008 1:31 PM  
Blogger Blogging Man said...

Thanks for the comment - no need be disparaging. So, offensive interference does not play into this? I quoted OFFENSIVE interference, which is when an offensive player interferes with a fielder (that's why I quoted it for you). You could argue Aybar was no longer a fielder and you might have a point (that's what the umpire stated). The call was "obstruction" but offensive interference is a more appropriate call given what the umpire said ("AJ kind of stuck his arm out..."). The offensive player went out of his way (and out of the baseline, I might add) and initiated the contact. Thus, the "obstruction" call was wrong and "offensive interference" would have been a better call (the right call actually would have been no call at all).

August 25, 2008 1:54 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

anonymous - did you not watch the replay?

Aybar did get out of the way - PIssnearski through his elbow out to catch a piece of a swerving Aybar. The Umps simply blew the call - these guys at a minimum should be fined. I hope our local press can get the Rays FO opinion on this. They have many millions at stake if the Umps force them out of the playoffs. I'm sure the Rays will come back even more determined. Navarro and Riggans owe several umpires a few pass balls preferably on a Number 1 that their mitt never touches.

August 25, 2008 5:23 PM  
Blogger Blogging Man said...

I'm kind of wondering why Joe Maddon was so easy on these guys. It's probably because he is worried that he is going to draw this crew in a playoff series.

August 25, 2008 5:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

there is no offensive interference as aj impeded no one from making any play on the ball. your rule quote is completely useless... you want obstruction. THAT is what was called, and rightly so.

again, ive spoken to an umpire, they said they would have made the same call as eddings and it was the right one. aj gets to throw his arm into whoever he wishes. it's aybar's responsibility to get out of the way to ensure theres no contact. thats why maddon didnt flip out. theres really no argument for him other than there was no contact between aj and aybar, which there was as aybar even acknowledged, so theres no way the calls turning around. you can see aybar arguing that aj threw his arm out and im sure the 3rd base ump could see that as well, but it doesnt matter, dude. thats why eddings might have even said that happened in a post-game press conference you alluded to(if there was one with him, i didnt see it).
FIELDERS WITHOUT THE BALL OR A PLAY ON THE BALL CANNOT MAKE ANY CONTACT WITH RUNNERS REGARDLESS OF WHO INITIATES IT OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
how hard is that to understand?

also, theres no out of baseline arguement for this play as aj stepped in the grass well before a tag was about to be made. runners establish their own baseline which can be pretty much anywhere until a tag is trying to be applied(Which is different from them being chased by someone with the ball) when the "baseline" becomes a straight line from where they are to the base, and then they cannot go within 3 feet of that.

please stop spewing your homer nonsense if you dont know or understand the rules. though, the baseline argument is a very common misconception.
but seriously, calling aj for interfering with a fielder who doesnt have the ball or a play on the ball would have been a better call? nonsense. please find an umpire... heck, even a good little league ump and let them explain it to you.

August 26, 2008 7:01 PM  
Blogger Blogging Man said...

Sounds like you are working to re-write the rule book. Good luck with that. You and, well... no one believe that the ump made the right call. Check out every reputable sports site and you will see it was the wrong call (e.g. ESPN, Yahoo Sports, etc.). Just a terrible call and you are inventing rules to justify it. If you are right, then every runner in a run down would just lunge at the fielder without the ball. That's just silly and you look foolish making your argument. Maybe that's why you signed it "anonymous".

August 26, 2008 11:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whatever... just trying to help and get you straightened out.

the rule is a fielder without a ball or a play on the ball cannot make contact with a runner. aj put his arm out and caught aybar running by. but that doesnt qualify because it's your team and he meant to do it(if you had any real idea bout the game youd know thats how your taught from the minors... if you get in a rundown, try to run into someone). again, intent and who initiates contact are moot points, but it's your team and youre just a big homer, so whaaa whaaa whaaaaaaaa, it was a bad call. i get it.



answer me this, pal... why didnt maddon even come near getting tossed? was a pretty toned down meeting.
ill tell you.
he has no argument. he knows there was contact, aybar even admitted to the ump there was contact by telling him it was because aj stuck his arm out. but maddon knows that doesnt matter.

you say eddings even acknowledges that aj initiated the contact, so whats your take? eddings just felt like blowing a call? or maybe eddings actually knows the rules.
or maybe... just maybe...
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

August 27, 2008 3:23 AM  
Blogger Blogging Man said...

Still anonymous? There is obviously no point in debating this with you, so I'll leave it at that. Maddon is no fool, he knows it's likely he'll see this crew in the post-season. He clearly stated that he felt they blew the call and our GM took the right approach (he expects things to even out). Enough said, let's move on. But thanks for the comments and for being so mature in making your case.

August 27, 2008 9:48 AM  
Blogger Blogging Man said...

How do you like them apples?

"MLB: Ump Eddings was wrong"

Upon further review, umpire Doug Eddings was wrong about the controversial obstruction call involving Willy Aybar in Sunday's game at Chicago.

Mike Port, MLB's vice president of umpiring, told the St. Petersburg Times on Thursday that it was "a missed call" and that in making the split-second decision, Eddings thought he saw runner A.J. Pierzynski "impeded more than he was" by Aybar, the Rays' third baseman.

http://blogs.tampabay.com/rays/2008/08/mlb-ump-eddings.html

August 29, 2008 10:14 AM  

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